Hi, http://www.prtracker.com/FreeCounter.htm The banner you should display for the counter has advertisement (as expected) You can get the gif image sending for this URL: http://www.easycounter.com/cgi-bin/count1.exe?001,johndoe@easycounter.com rename the file you get as .gif to see it. The banner has the number to the left side. The total size can be cut to 75-50% and the nunmber can still be seen. I do not know if it is right to do so. I sent for another counter that apparently uses java: http://counter.bloke.com/register.html Daniel http://internettrash.com/users/danielg